How it began

The idea for this blog grew out of an outburst of rage. Titled “Inside The Hindu Part 2: The thing that must not be named” – the piece that follows was written as a Facebook note, sequel to an earlier note about the ways in which internal censorship functions at The Hindu, Chennai. The first article was received with great rejoicing and carried lovingly on The Hoot and Kafila and Humanities Underground. None of them wanted to touch this one:) Caste, quite literally, should not be named, it seems…

Inside The Hindu Part 2: The thing that must not be named

aka. The bitch is back and she is so fucking angry

Dear internal censor, you shot down my proposal for an article on state expenditure for dalits. Then how dare you write this story? “While the UPA has focused on bettering the lot of the Dalit community, it is dominated by upper caste Hindus, very few of whom are genuinely concerned about the plight of dalits,” the American Embassy said in a cable sent under the name of Ambassador David Mulford” How dare you? I hereby declare war. Do you remember? I told you that successive Tamil Nadu state budgets showed a decline in expenditure of money intended for dalit welfare. In other words, the government that was empowering the poor with television sets was using for other purposes the funds intended for the Scheduled Caste population – funds which should not be diverted to other schemes or returned. I spent an afternoon poring over budget documents, I visited non-governmental organisations that were doing research in this area, I went to the office of an IAS officer who was being shuttled around departments because he questioned the diversion of these funds. “Do you really think The Hindu will carry this story?” he asked. I came to you and asked if I could give an article for the State pages about this. You said, “No. The budget was presented last week. How is this news?” And now you write about how a white man is concerned about the welfare of dalits? What is wrong with you? Why is it not news if your lowly brown-skinned reporter wants to write about this with more data to substantiate the claim? Here’s a quote for you: “While The Hindu has claimed to care about bettering the lot of the Dalit community, it is dominated by upper caste Hindus, very few of whom are genuinely concerned about the plight of dalits.” Take it and fuck off.

Oh, before that, the preface: First, yay! Contrary to what I told some of you, I do have more stories from The Hindu to tell. Second, to all the former and current journalists who have expressed sympathy, write your own stories also please. And leave us a link. Thank you. Third, I was spooked by the massive wave of love that engulfed my post on internal censorship at The Hindu. I mean this is the Internet, right? Have I been moved to a parallel universe? Where were the disagreeable trolls, the flaming comment wars? From across the political spectrum, I have received warm praise of my writing skills. So. Let’s raise the stakes. Let’s do something more difficult than growling about internal censorship in the media – something which both left and right seem to enjoy. Let’s talk about caste.

I estimate that 80 per cent of The Hindu’s workforce is Brahmin (of the Tamil Nadu population, they form less than 3 per cent). I might be exaggerating. This is based on a visual estimate. You work long enough in The Hindu, Chennai, you will be able to tell apart the Tamil Brahmins – the TamBrahms – with their distinctive features. Then it started making sense to me. So many people in this city reminded me of one of my favourite professors, I did not know why. They are all Brahmin. They have been marrying each other for so many generations that they have distinctive facial features – this fact horrifies me.

Once, I was called to office by the internal censor (of engineering-college fame) on an ‘urgent assignment’. I got there post-haste to be told that his blue-shirted highness who rules The Hindu roost himself wanted to show a white friend the Egmore museum. As a reporter who had written a couple of stories about the museum’s galleries and its environs, I obviously was the only person who could guide them around the place. The internal censor had to explain to me twice what was expected of me. I couldn’t wrap my fiercely-independent head around the fact that I was expected to play tourist guide to my employer and a visitor. At the museum, I had to confess my utter ignorance about the bronzes or Indo-Saracenic architecture or anything that the white lady wanted to know about really. “Would you be able to find someone who knows?” his highness inquired regally. I knew my way about the admin block there and found a curator who was simultaneously flustered and thrilled that the blue-shirted god himself was there to grant him darshan. He went pounding down the stairs ahead of me to the bronzes gallery in less than half the time it took me to move my portly form there. The white lady admired the stunning Ardhanareeswarar near the entrance of the bronzes gallery. “Exquisite,” she breathed. ‘Well, of course, it is,’ I grumbled inside my head. “What is that?” she asked, pointing to the thread that is depicted along the bust of Ardhanareeswarar’s male half. I had never noticed it till that moment. “The thread that the so-called twice-born wear,” said his highness. Ardhanareeswarar is FC, apparently. “This, this”, said our eager curator, pulling out and displaying his sacred thread.

I am not twice-born. In my earlier birth, I was a water buffalo – I have retained the generously rounded form for one, not to mention a love for the placid lifestyle. Also, I like to plod and gaze at the world through large, limpid eyes, wondering at the indecent haste of human life. Ok, ok, I might be deliberately misunderstanding what twice-born means. Apparently the twice-born or the dvija is a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya who undergoes a physical birth and a spiritual one. Also, “A dvija does what he ought to do rather than what he wants to do. He does not avoid what he dislikes rather he avoids what ought to be avoided.” That settles any lingering doubts I might have had – I am definitely not a dvija, I am not even a ‘he’ to begin with. Are Brahmin women twice-born or not? Expert replies would be welcome. For this post, I am going to presume they are.

So, there was the time when I plodded into the editorial section at The Hindu to find people at their various desks standing upright and facing the same direction with cow-like expressions. (Us buffaloes find cows to be plain silly) I wondered, uneasily, if I had walked into some barbaric ritual that editorial performed while no-one was looking – they did like to massacre the occasional innocent story and play with torturous headlines, I’d noticed. Then I realised that a puja was on and standing up, wearing suitably devout expressions, was apparently the right way to acknowledge it. The gods presided over the reporting and editing sections at The Hindu, Chennai, in size A3 Technicolor. Some were quite the Ravi Varma-esque beauties, others were just in bad taste. Presumably, the deities must have been driven distraught by all those treats of cake and murukku and what-have-you that we kept giving each other inside reporting. So, the ordained members of the twice-born would try to propitiate them by half-heartedly waving plates with flaming camphor and other paraphernalia and ringing beautiful hand-held bells at them. In counterpoint, the Muslim woman who briefly was my colleague was directed, after much delay, to a cramped place with barely any space to kneel when she requested a room to use for her daily prayers during Ramzan. There were fringe benefits to this communal celebration of being Hindu – gorgeous saris for Pongal and Deepavali for the ladies, and for another of them festivals – I forget which – generous-sized bags of puffed rice for everyone. Yummy.

Less palatable was seeing how caste marks this predominantly-Brahmin workforce. The meetings of their favourite caste association would get coverage and column-inches, of course, but that didn’t annoy me quite so much. The normal-food eaters can’t eat their food in the canteen, because the smell of their non-Brahmin food is offensive to the nostrils of their twice-born colleagues. They can’t eat inside the reporting section’s room, without remarks along the lines of “Which walking, swimming, flying thing are you eating today?” Some twice-born colleagues would ask this same question practically every time one unfortunate normal-food eater opened her tiffin box in office. I would have given anything to hear our normal person to say, “What the fuck do you care, you eater of grass?” Instead, she would meekly submit the menu for the day and receive some more ‘good-natured’ (read caste-ist) ribbing.

Also, like most newsrooms in the city, The Hindu too had its mandatory sprinkles of Nairs and Menons. I write this letter for them:

Dear Malayalee people,

Get a grip. This is Tamil Nadu. You must know by now that caste names have been painted over, whitewashed and legislated out of existence in this state. Caste cannot be named any longer, except in matrimonial columns and rental ads (Don’t ask me why. Parents arranging marriages and landlords are the torchbearers of caste apparently). It has been driven underground in the public sphere – you might be allowed to say the ‘Gounder-votebank’ but that is about it. You cannot stand up in a public meeting here and say ‘this person is of the Nair community’. I have seen this happen in Kerala. No kidding. People were introduced caste-wise with a noble intention (to show that the group was inclusive and diverse) but it still left me gobsmacked. You might find the co-existence of caste hierarchies and the left ideology charming, but the rest of us think it beyond weird. We do not use caste names if we can help it. Yes, there are some Thevars and Nadars and Gounders and Chettiars out there who hold on to their caste names like they are badges of pride. There are also some of them Iyers (not to forget the Aiyars) and them Iyengars, all of whom we will glare at with polite loathing. However. Walking around with your caste affiliation clinging to the backside of your name, like some smelly rem(a)inder of centuries of discrimination is so last century. Get with it.

Yours condescendingly, Malar.

P.S. Dear Reddys, Consider yourself implicated in this shit as well. Snarl, M.

Once upon a time, a Brahmin Tamil teacher asked us, her class six students, “All the upper caste students, please stand up.” This was in an elite school, the most progressive one in Madurai. The Brahmin daughter of the head-mistress stood up. Then another guy. After some thought, I stood up. I had no clue what caste was – I only vaguely knew that my father owned a car, unlike those of some of my classmates. Another girl, who actually knew that she belonged to the same caste as my family, stood up. I told my parents, they went up in flames and called up the principal and our teacher never so much as mentioned the word ‘caste’ again. But I never had any trouble afterward if I told her that I had not finished my homework. “Never mind, child,” she would say indulgently, when before the standing-up census, I would have been summarily dismissed from class.

Now, in Chennai and after my stint at The Hindu, I understand anew the impetus of the non-Brahmin movement. This city has the highest concentration of English-speaking Brahmins in the state. I have had my share of them in Madurai – the ones that served coffee to my family and to their family in different tumblers at a golu, the one that walked into my house and said “Oh! I have never seen a Christian house that was kept so clean!” (I fought down my impulse to bash her on the head with the ugly brass vase stuffed with the artificial flowers that my mother so favoured). In Chennai, their concentration is mind-blowing. Astounding numbers of rental ads for Mylapore, Adyar, Thiruvanmiyur, Triplicane, Nungambakkam and other expensively Brahmin ghettoes will state that they want ‘vegetarian’ tenants only. I have been asked my caste by several landlords while house-hunting in the city. I have been told off for contacting landlords who wanted only Brahmin tenants. The TamBrahms also have their own communal theatre groups and performances inside their private little Sabhas in their own private dialect that they claim is Tamil infused with Sanskrit (though the rest of suspect it is just another ruse to be able to tell the twice and the once-born apart. Do they say ‘say’ or ‘shay’?).

Staying with the dialect theme, some of my colleagues at The Hindu could talk to everyone in one standardised Tamil. There were other specially-anointed twice-born who could switch effortlessly between TamBrahm and standardised Tamil, depending on who they were talking to. On the phone to a government official, this side to another twice-born, on the other side to the former water buffalo. It’s quite something to watch. How do they do it? Is there a filter in their heads that is going Brahmin/non-Brahmin all the time? There would be these conversations that I would not be able to make head or tail of, let alone participate in – about special poojas and maamis and rituals and all the insider jokes about the music season. For some days, the blog of an anonymous Brahmin woman poking fun at her caste’s many rituals became all the rage inside The Hindu office. Everyone was talking about it. I could not understand the damn blog. It was talking in an alien language about a culture I did not know. Oh, the ways in which exclusion functions.

Also, the arts that were stolen from the Devadasis and re-furbished for respectability and are celebrated every December? The arts that have been shrouded with impenetrable layers of holiness and technical detail? Yeah, those arts now function as another ruse to separate out the normal-food eaters. The twice-born and the occasional once-born would gather in warm little groups to discuss the ins-and-outs of the season each time it came around. The rest of the once-borns were left out in the Margazhi cold, typing forlornly at stories about the increased chill factor and what two-wheeler riders should do to take care of themselves. The music reviews that would appear in The Hindu did nothing to dispel the impenetrable air of mystery that surrounds these forms. When Nalli Kuppuswamy Chetty lost to The Hindu’s own Murali for a post in the Music Academy, some of the staff came around distributing sweets. What were they celebrating? That the sacred domains continue to stand in the face of attacks from the once-born? My only brush with the Music Academy happens when I have to cross the signal at that junction – I always curse the place for taking up so much space for parking while the pavement on the RK Salai side is less than 30 cm wide. It used to be 20 cm. Then they generously demolished and rebuilt the wall to donate a little less than 10 cm for the welfare of pedestrians.

I was born into a formerly untouchable caste that has clawed its way up the caste hierarchy to backward caste status, possibly with the help of commerce and strong intra-communal networks. My mother pointed to the ubiquitous palmyra trees that line highways across Tamil Nadu, sometime after the standing-up census, and said that our ancestors used to climb those trees and make arrack for a living. Some of them converted to Christianity and, so, we found respectability, she claimed. I didn’t believe her. I knew Hindu friends of the same caste had similar socio-economic standing. But, because I was not born Hindu, the changes and the homogenising in the majority religion are starkly visible to me – Vinayaka Chathurthi beginning to be celebrated in Madurai in the 90s, the stripes of saffron with tinsel edging that I see commuters tie to their vehicles in increasing numbers, the appearance of a BJP flag at a street corner in Chennai – all cause my feeble minority heart to tremble for its very existence. The twice-born, on the other hand, will always find it easy to ally with the right. When another internal censor at The Hindu casually announced that he had voted for the BJP because he did not want to vote for the Dravidian parties, I could only gape at him.

Just to make that loud and clear: The Hindutva brigade threatens my existence and questions my right to life – I am unable to understand or engage with them – I only think of them as propagators of hatred – I do not understand how anybody can vote for the BJP.

The many articles I have read about representation in the media, about the absence of Dalits in the media, all make much more sense after working in an overwhelmingly Brahmin newsroom and studying in a overwhelmingly Brahmin institution.

Kancha Ilaiah faced incomprehension and hostility when he presented his opinions about Brahmins and their gods at the Asian College of Journalism (ACJ) when I was there. Which is not surprising at all. The entrance exam to this esteemed institution is an excellent example of the utter meaninglessness of entrance exams. I got in exclusively on the strength of my English. I doubt if I got full marks on even one question in the general knowledge paper. I know, dear Media Development Foundation (of which the blue-shirted god is a trustee), that you chose me for the money my father had and his ability to send me to a posh school, in short, for my skill with English. So, it logically follows that a substantial portion of your intake will be twice-born. I slipped in somehow – damn this 69 per cent affirmative action in Tamil Nadu, huh? Lets in all the wrong sorts. The ACJ is entirely progressive in its teaching and practice. But how much can you teach a preponderantly twice-born group?

Inside the computer lab once, a male classmate started off a giggly discussion, “What is your gothra?” These barbaric Hindi-speakers are beyond the pale, I thought to myself, while struggling with the intricacies of page layout. Then the TamBrahm girls also joined in. I fought down the impulse to stand up and say, “How nice! I’m so happy for all of you. Shall I arrange your marriages right away or do you want to keep it for later?” I might have also chosen to keep my peace because I was among the two once-borns in a group of around ten. I continued struggling with my page layout. Then the twice-born bimbo next to me leaned over and switched off MY computer, instead of hers. Ok, her’s was next to mine, but it was still a bloody stupid mistake. My layout was lost. She gaped at me out of cow-like twice-born eyes and said, “Oh.”

One of those girls later made a presentation on utilitarianism and vegetarianism – apparently vegetarianism made sense because it was a utilitarian thing to do. Right. During the discussion, I wanted to know why she had not discussed caste at all, when the concepts of normal and vegetarian food were so closely tied to caste in India. A professor told us at the end of that class that the aim of asking questions was to get information, not show off how much we know. It might have been directed at the class in general, but seeing that he was (also) a Menon, I decided to take it personally. Sir, I want to put it on record that I was deeply hurt by that statement. Thank you for understanding. Ah, ACJ, ACJ. The place where a Brahmin girl burst into tears when she realised she had eaten beef (I did not understand the concept of retroactive grief, she had not even realised she was eating meat while she was actually eating it). Where a stylish Mumbai girl said, “I don’t eat beef, I am Hindu”, where other Hindus would head for the beef biriyani down the street with much gusto. And have you considered the complications of eating out when certain elements of your cuisine are anathema to your friend? The faces they can make are quite frightful and can put you right off your crispy fried beef.

Please don’t write ‘awesome piece’ in the comments section. Write your personal narratives of your experience of caste, if you can. That would be so much more useful than sniping about ‘merit’ and that one rich dalit student you knew who was living off the largesse of the state while the poor FCs have to slog it out for the few remaining seats – I cannot begin to count the number of times I have heard this ridiculous claim – if there were really so many rich Dalit students, The Hindu will not be the den of the twice-born that it is today. What are the implications of running a media organisation for over a century with an overwhelming number of twice-born? What are the implications of creating a feeder organisation (read ACJ) to ‘train’ more twice-borns for this work? What sort of training can an organisation run and taught almost exclusively by the twice-born offer? How can you maintain this obscene proportion of twice-born employees in a state that is a trend-setter in affirmative action? And how many of you who loved and shared my last piece will share this one?

P.S. The internal censor I have ripped into in the first paragraph is the man who made me cry by belittling the work I had done for three years, when I asked to be paid more than freshers. So, yes, you could read this as personal vendetta. He might be a nice guy otherwise. To quote the last lines of an article that I read as an adolescent in The Hindu’s Sunday Magazine and was profoundly marked by: “Question everything. Even this.”

- Malarvizhi Jayanth aka. The Water Buffalo aka. எருமை மாடு

  1. [...] this post for a new blog Writing Caste, over there, please read Malar’s How it beganpage. I stick to writing short notes for lack of time, on rare occasions that I make time for [...]

  2. Most of my friends, & my cousins in-laws who aren’t brahmins effortlessly switch to iyer-tamil when speaking to the old folks in my family. & my friends actually do poke fun at me as a grass-eater or whatever& i repay in kind sometimes – w/o any of the hatred u harbor. the above piece just shows u obviously dont have any brahmin friends – & possibly how socially isolated u are than anything else.

    • Friends who are not brahmins switching to iyer-tamil is a new one, Sriram. Haven’t heard of this before. You are welcome to write about your experiences of being brahmin for this blog. No, I am not expressing hatred for individuals – I am stating the problems I have with systemic discrimination. Unbelievable as it may sound, I do have brahmin friends:)

  3. thanks – may take you up on that offer sometime

  4. This blog weaves some simple social realities that exist around as in an omnipresent spider’s web of caste discrimination. If you talk to a christian friend of yours about funny customs followed in a ceremony, some Hindu/Brahmin/whatever could also get irritated, if they are just trying to get some work done. What’s the ‘systemic discrimination’ in that?
    I accept that its not just in The Hindu, look at any large organisation, you will see higher caste people, especially Brahmins in the higher ranks, just like you don’t see enough women in high positions. The caste system has been around for 2 millennia now, you can’t wish it away! Yes, it is a big deal if its being willfully perpetuated, but you can’t get mad at people for just TALKING about their social reality…seriously!!

    • Thank you for joining the discussion, Nimisha. Caste discrimination is systemic and therefore, yes, it is omnipresent. All of us are born into families that carry a certain amount (or not) of social capital from their castes which determines the places of living, study and work – in this way, caste is systemic.
      Certain social realities are more likely to be discussed or find representation in the media – these are predominantly those of the dominant castes. Ignoring the social realities of the rest of this country is a form of violence to those realities. I am not angry that the realities of dominant castes are discussed, I am angry that ONLY these realities are discussed.
      Yes, the caste system has been around for a long time now. We should be getting angrier about this fact every day, not accepting that this is the way things have always been…

  5. Glad to see people raising their voice against the caste system. I’m from kerala, so the tambrahms would be replaced by nairs/nambiars/varma/menon/pillai here, for the namboothiris are on a decline in population. Even though the casteism is highly invisible in kerala(?) compared to other states owing to the communism, I have experienced/ seen caste discrimination in many forms. That could be hearing the 20 year old nambiar/nair boy calling my grand father by his name instead of uncle/elder brother because of my grandpa’s OBC or lower status, or my relative mentioning my neighbor as “vannan x” cos of x’s status as an SC caste. I have seen some of my classmates in school/college grouping together based on the caste, blaming the sc/St/obc for snatching the seats which would have gone for general quota otherwise. I have seen the brahmin caucus in the insti. faculty not selecting anyone in the reserved caste position citing the lack of good candidates so that afterwards they can shift the vacancy to the general quota. The delhiite brahmin vegetarian sneering at the food that a madrasi non eats, A bengali banerjee insisting to know the second name of an Indian he meets in Delft.
    I think what India needs is a social revolution, of the minds, the economical one would follow.

    • Thank you for joining the discussion and sharing your experiences, Jan. Do consider expanding on these points and contributing for the blog. I am following the documentaries that a Facebook friend called Rupesh Kumar is making and sharing and, sadly, casteism in Kerala does not seem all the invisible to me. Too few people are talking about it – which is a problem. Do consider writing about your experiences of caste…

  6. Thank you for the invitation Malar. To mention about my backgrounds, I’m a 25 year old, female, from Kerala, born to an OBC community, Ezhava.
    I do not follow any religion. I do not remember any occasions where my parents discussing caste or religion/god, one reason could be that both of them were non-believers and leftists.

    The semi-village that I come from has a very low diversity in caste distribution. The upper castes in kerala namely nair/nambiar/varma/panikkar/marar/warrier are quite absent in a 5 KM radius of that. Most of the people in the place were ezhavas, so being an equal caste and as a member of a well-to-do family I enjoyed all the advantages in the small circle when i was there.

    My first stint with caste was in my childhood where I saw a family leaving my cousin’s wedding reception early before lunch, when I asked my mother about it and she replied that the nambiars won’t eat from thiyyas’ houses. The wedding was held in my mother’s ancestral home. Unlike my village there are many of the uppercaste nambiars and nairs in the place, most of whom are financially well off, with higher end government jobs. The women in the higher caste houses usually won’t attend the marriages or any other functions in the lower caste people’s houses, if they had to attend one they would avoid eating from the home. In kerala people usually would not address the elderly by name, they are usually called with the equivalents of brother/uncle/aunt/sister , whichever is more appropriate. My understanding of respecting elders was shattered when I heard a nambiar boy calling my grandpa with his name, later I learned that the upper castes in the place call the lower castes by name however old them be. I’m not generalizing the people here, these are the stories which happened 10-12 years before and I was outside kerala for atleast 6 years, I hope people would have changed for better. One more thing I observed about the same place is that most of the lower castes including thiyya/paraya/pulaya/vannan don’t hold any government jobs, even the younger generation, compared to the upper castes.

    The first time somebody asked me for my caste was when I joined the plus-two. the one who asked was a nair (on that time and after that, all the people who asked for my castes were the upper ones) :) The SC/ST quota students were sidelined in the class. They were only 5 in the 50 strong class, they were shy,silent and financially backward from affluent families, and atleast one teacher avoided asking questions to them because she assumed that they are inferior in intelligence too. I have seen a group of upper caste students taunting them asking for the percentage of marks they scored for the school finals and exclaiming how a cousin of the asker failed to secure a seat even after scoring 70 percent. Even thugh they didn’t ask for the caste to your face, the upper caste class mates of mine did make a chart of people belonging to the nairs/nambiars/menons, otherwise I wonder how Miss.X Nambiar (this is how I know their castes, they all had the surname as nair/nambiar) brought only the nambiars/nairs in our class to visit her home avoiding all us the lower castes :-) Or may be like my friend who is a neighbor of X explained, the family deities in x’s home wouldn’t like the thiyyas and mappilas or pulayas sabotaging the holiness of the home.
    If I have to balance my views on non-reservation castes, I would add that I also have seen the OBCs calling the pulayas and vannans who belong to the SC by their caste names, Their houses would be known as “the house of pulayan Chatthu, or vannan Balan” :)
    A lighter skinned thiyya saying that a darker skinned thiyya looks like a “pulayan” is not out of respect and affection I think ;-)
    So I’m not sure where to end this writing.

    About the representation in the society- there could be exceptions, but atleast among the people I know, the people who hold on to most of the prestigious positions in private/government firms are the upper castes in Kerala, and atleast in the school levels the SC/ST students were the poorest in the class, nullifying the claims of anti-reservation campaigners, and even in my generation, even when they migrate to a foreign country where most of the Indians are viewed as brown asians, they carry the ages old pride.

    Disclaimer: I did get all my education/job in the general quota, because I had the provisions, but its not about finacial status, so I support reservation for atleast coming 25 years, and I wish there would be more and more sidelined people coming to take the mainstage, encouraging their people, gaining the power, and getting the jobs exploiting the maximum out of society which ignored them for thousands of years.

  7. I dont agree in entirety. Its not our job to question somebodys’ customs if they sound alien to us. Though discrimination has moved from ‘on your face’ to ‘subtle’ nowadays, the truth is that many of them are moving on and learning to treat others equally. I have seen poor dalit students from remote villages who were mocked/ridiculed during my engg days. Through hardwork all of them have made it big in life.

    Though outsiders call Chennai a peaceful and hospitable place, i found it very difficult to find a roof for myself when i moved here in 2005. Try calling up an ad posted in classifieds. The moment they know you are a Muslim, your chances of renting a house nosedives to zero. I have never experienced it in Pune or in Bangalore(where i currently live. Incidentally its owned by a liberal forward thinking tam brahm)

    Am an Urdu speaking muslim from TN and grew up in a small town where caste-driven fault lines were apparent. I was asked on my face if i support Pak in cricket matches. Lets accept it. rather than cribbing about it, lets learn to fight such discrimination. Many tam-brahms i know who were staunchly orthodox when it comes to treating low caste people have now accepted them as peers and treat them with respect(atleast from outside). Am sure economic equality would help reduce such social evils. Lets not listen to detractors Keep working towards economic prosperity and people will learn to respect you.

    • Thank you for joining the discussion, Salar. I am not trying to question customs here but to show how caste-specific customs can exclude others in many ways. Yes, there are shifts in the way discrimination is practised – I am trying to document some of them here.
      I am concerned to hear that you found it difficult to find housing in Chennai. You might find the work of Khalid Anis Ansari interesting – he writes about negotiating his Muslim identity and how he comes to understand caste as practised among Muslims in this interview: http://writingcaste.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/on-faith-solidarity-and-transformation-i/
      Yes, there are many progressive Tam-Brahms. This is not an attack on individuals but to show how Brahminism and the caste-system function. Too often, a lot of these forms of subtle discrimination are accepted as ‘the way things have always been done’ and are not talked about enough. This blog is an attempt to fight such discrimination by talking about it.

  8. Well…I am from Kerala. My friend is getting married this month. He is from the Nair clan and the girl is from Ezhava. He tried many times to convince his parents that everything is going to be okay. But things took the regular route and he was disowned and now he has to marry that girl without his parents being there at his side.
    But I am happy that the present generation is trying to bring about changes and only through that there can be a change instead of sitting and brooding that this is the norm and custom. In fact, this whole caste thing pulls everything down. Do all of you think that all the Upper class people at top posts are really good at what they do. Agreed some may be good but not all of them. This is just one instance of how this system can pull things down instead of a progressive future.

  9. because I was not born Hindu, the changes and the homogenising in the majority religion are starkly visible to me

    But isn’t this the case elsewhere too? In the US, the President-elect finishes his oath of office by intoning “so help me God.” Clearly the God whose help is sought to help kill people in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever (uncalled for, I know) is the God of the Abrahamic religions. This offends not only those belonging to other religious traditions but also atheists. (It is apparently not even a part of the oath. And on this subject, I can’t figure out why the wife is needed to hold the Bible for the oath.)

    The problem, I guess stems from the fact that people do not live neatly compartmentalized lives and so rituals which are strictly religious inevitably intrude into areas where they do not really belong. This occurs almost everywhere. In India, for instance, many functions begin with the lighting of a lamp which clearly has Hindu connotations.

    We could, of course, try to identify all such instances and rigidly purge them but this might create new problems as France is discovering with its “ban the burqa” campaign. Or for that matter, consider the case of a lady employee of an airline who was not allowed to wear a necklace because it had a crucifix. For those interested, see here.

    I don’t think there is a “solution” but of course, we should all become sensitive to the ways in which the rituals of the majority can cause others to feel excluded. On that, I agree.

    Vinayaka Chathurthi beginning to be celebrated in Madurai in the 90s, the stripes of saffron with tinsel edging that I see commuters tie to their vehicles in increasing numbers, the appearance of a BJP flag at a street corner in Chennai

    Actually, the spreading of Vinayaka worship is visible even to Hindus. My father has commented about this to me. But not to worry…equally visible is the spread of Christianity. As an NRI, I cannot help but noticing in my annual visits the fact that new religious buildiings in the state are mostly Christian. The Hindu temples are mostly the existing ones and mostly not well attended. So, give it a little time: the rituals that offend you should disappear in a few years time.

    On experiences of caste, I can’t recall any direct experiences but I can share two from my father and my uncle. Both are from Tanjavur district, circa 1940.

    1. In traditional Hinduism, the “purest” is the Brahmin male. That is why, traditonally and even now, cooking for religious functions is done by a male Brahmin (even though it is the women who do the cooking in daily life). Furthermore, Brahmin males are served food only by other Brahmin males. My late uncle, at one point went to live in a hostel in St. Joseph’s College, Tiruchi and ate in the mess there. That was apparently the first time he was served food by “Sudras” and he was shocked. Years later, when I was discussing social prejudice with him, he recalled this incident and told me that he had actually written to my grandfather, “What sort of place have you sent me to where I am being served food by Sudras?” Of course, my uncle had changed a lot since that incident: indeed, one of his closest friends right up to his death was a Christian.

    2. While discussing hair styles, my father and my uncles shared their experiences of getting their hair cut. Apparently, the barber would come to the house. Of course, he would not be allowed inside and my father and his brothers would go to the front of the house to get their military style hair cut. They would routinely try to persuade the barber to not cut their hair so close. My father recalled that the barber would reply “Ayya, your mother won’t pay me.” What struck me here was the use of “Ayya” (“Sir”) to address a five or six year old kid. After the haircut, my grandmother would apparently just throw the coin on the ground. (The custom of throwing the coin on the ground seems to have persisted at least until the sixties: see Andre Beteille’s description of his field work in Tanjavur district here; in particular, see pages 8 to 10, especially page 10.)

    I would tend to concur with Beteille that things have changed but of course, from the point of view of those at the receiving end of this system, the change is too little and too slow.

  10. Are you single? :) Are you sure you are not putting caste-ism and sense of community in one bucket. Segregation is not new. Everyone, including “dalits” should be proud of their community if it gives them a sense of belonging.

    That being said, treating people outside of their community unequally can be called caste-ism. Being a brahmin, I have seen this happen all too often and it is unfair. One of my best friends of many years is of SC. I didn’t brand him, he obtained a seat in the same university as me, through reservation. Ironically, although he had the aptitude to succeed, he didn’t have the drive. He wanted it to be easy, or else he just wouldn’t try. He prioritized having a lifestyle over building a career and it was empowered by his eventual attitude of “this is not for me”. He ended up using his network to find another occupation after completing college. Whats the problem here? He never tried, but he made his way through. This is unfair. I’m not saying this is an example of “SC behaviour”, but just that this is one of my experiences.

    I’m sure you have heard the stories of those few kind-hearted brahmin folks who want to see the upliftment of the dalits, by volunteering teaching in spare time etc. Many of those that I have seen still have this air of “we’ll help you, but we’re always better than you” which isn’t right. I have kept away from that and treated every person as an individual seeking opportunity to better their life.

    Hate is a natural response and while you are certainly entitled to it, I find it does not solve problems. Whoever said life was fair? You can count unfairness all around you, in many different forms. It is up to you to take the initiative to change things and do what other individuals are too confused or stupid or silent to do. Good luck.

    • Why do you ask if I am single?
      The sense of ‘community solidarity’ within dalit groups is valuable and beautiful because it is coming from an emergent political consciousness. Among dominant caste groups, this ‘sense of solidarity’ is obscene because it is only used to consolidate their hold on power.
      What did I tell you about “sniping about ‘merit’ and that one rich dalit student you knew who was living off the largesse of the state”? Sure, there are plenty of individuals who don’t ‘try but make their way through’ – most of them are from the dominant castes. Dalit students get picked on more than others because they have fought for and received their right to be represented in education much, much later than other communities. Your ancestors didn’t have to fight to be educated – it was their god-given right. Your friend’s forefathers had to fight for the right to sit on chairs, to sit where they want in a bus, to wear footwear, to cover their upper bodies, to drink from the common well, to access education. And – here’s the rub – some of your friend’s distant cousins probably STILL do not have some of these rights. Caste is a systemic problem, not a problem unique to some individuals.
      Oh yes, I have seen the ‘charitable’ folk who want to make sure that their beneficiaries are suitably grateful – I agree that they are very, very annoying.
      I am surprised by this response I have got from a few Brahmin males – that my writing is full of hate. Some Brahmin women who read this have responded with thoughtful reflections upon their own caste and gender identities. If a black man writes about racism, is he being ‘racist’ or ‘full of hate’? Or is he describing systems of discrimination?
      Yes, we are surrounded by many kinds of injustice. Caste is a socio-economic form of inequality – with religious justifications provided for such inequality. And I am only one of the many voices that are raised against it.

  11. “Also, I like to plod and gaze at the world through large, limpid eyes, wondering at the indecent haste of human life”. Totally agree with you on this. Apart from this, the article makes me want to better understand your thoughts.

    While I would like the world of humans to be equal, it unfortunately is not. I would like to blame it on biology. Let me clarify: The cows, buffaloes, tigers, even the ants and fishes have figured out what needs to be eaten and what needs to be kept away from. However, we homo sapiens have created a few complex hierarchies of our own. IMHO, the cause of this confusion is biology. Most herbivores I have seen have well-developed incisors, and ruminating stomachs. The carnivores I believe have speed, impressive canines, and the hunter instinct. We humans are sort of a mix of everything, as though Biology decided to create something more interesting for it to have fun with. To make it a bigger nuisance, some of us are black, beige, yellow, brown (you get the drift). I wish biology had been more clear.

    Life sucks. Especially as a human. But let us enjoy while it lasts, eh? And propose a few solutions to do justice, what do you say?

    Maybe all of us should decide on a neutral color and ask P&G, or J&J to develop a “neutral cream”? All in good humor.

    • Thank you for joining the conversation, SP. Yes, I propose a solution for justice – abolishing and annihilating caste (not just untouchability, the entire system of caste). Apart from that statement, I must confess I have difficulty understanding your thoughts too. Are you suggesting that inequality is biological? That is – if you will kindly excuse my buffalo language – a load of bullshit. Inequality is created by continued denial of space, voice, rights, food, work and dignity to the marginalised and by continued practices of discrimination – not biology.
      Also, I hate to quibble, but all human skin tones are different shades of brown. Since we are talking biology, you might be aware that this is caused by different levels of melanin. Melanin cannot produce inequality as far as I can tell.

  12. Wonderful articles. A big round of appluase from dalitnation.

    • Thank you!

    • dalits should stop feeling victimzed and act normal. this article is full of hate and one-sided childish jibes

      • Brahmins should stop feeling victimized and act normal when they read critiques of caste. This is not a personal attack, all the ‘hating’ (I prefer the word critique) is directed at a social system. As I have written above, the caste I belong to is classified as backward caste. I have nowhere claimed a Dalit identity or claimed to be speaking for Dalits either. So I fail to understand the need for the first sentence in your comment.

  13. gr8 article! i find Hindu ‘s ideology amusing.. pro-communist yet Brahminstic yet anti-BJP + pro DMK + pro rajapakse

  14. “the arts that were stolen from the Devadasis and re-furbished for respectability and are celebrated every December?”

    A bit of research on the History/Evolution of Carnatic Music should allow you to accept that Carnatic Music gained a new form and reached the people, even our precious Devadasis (MS Amma, Brinda-Mukta Amma), only because of 3 saints whose songs revolutionized devotional music in South India; Saint Thyagaraja, Muthuswami Dikshitr and Shyama Shasti-mummoorthigal. I reassure you they didnt belong to the Devadasi clan. In fact there were hardcore dvijas.That didnt stop their music from reaching the Devadasis. Its their music the Devadasis sang, and they knew that. Thats why almost all their students were dwijas. I dont understand why you have so much resentment even when they didnt.

    I’m commenting as an unbiased student of the arts here. You may do well to leave the arts out of your foolish debate.

    • In other words, you are saying that ‘the arts’ belong only to the ‘hardcore’ Dvijas and even the Devadasis learnt it from them. Fascinating. And what about Sadir – the Devadasi dance form that was sanitised and reworked into Bharatanatyam? I would love to hear your comment as an ‘unbiased’ student of the arts on that too.

      • Dont know if I will get a reply.. But YOU are implying that ‘the arts’ belong to the Brahmins. Not he. The other way to interpret above is that non-Dwijas were not interested in learning ‘the arts’ . The proof lies in the fact that even today when there is no discrimination in teaching music , you hardly find anyone from your community wanting to learn carnatic music or bharatanatyam.. Why?
        On Sadir and stuff. this was symbiotic,, devadasis plied their trade to dwija music. and dwija took to their dance and created BN.

      • Thank you for joining the conversation. Yes, I am implying (and stating overtly) that the arts were appropriated by the Brahmins. Were the ‘non-Dwijas’ disinterested in learning Sanskrit too? Or archery? I trust the name Eklavya is familiar to you. I know there are people from various communities – transgendered, backward castes, Christian – who learn Bharatanatyam. How many of them have you seen perform during the December season? I’ll answer that for you. None. Because the spaces of performance and criticism are still controlled by Brahmins, that’s why. The claims about the arts that I am seeing from Brahmin commenters on this blog are quite breathtaking – if symbiosis was indeed how it happened, why are the Devadasi foremothers of Bharatanatyam rarely, if ever, acknowledged?

  15. It is sort of tiring to read the one-sided analysis.
    “They have been marrying each other for so many generations that they have distinctive facial features ” is one big crap.
    The thing is this:
    When you think you have a major argument, just be brave and open it up for a debate.

    This sort of innuendo / slyness is as tiring as tambrams making fun of “Non-veg”. If you come to USA, it is reverse psychology, they make fun of “Veggies” making stupid jokes like “Cow is vegetarian”, so you can eat it. Like 2nd standard student level stuff.

    More than that, every single caste has that feeling. Caste has its origins somewhere else. Varna is about what capacity you have not what family you are born into. For instance, journalist is a capacity / ability, intellectual etc.

    Christian converts on the other hand throw all sort of mud at indian culture, by totally throwing this caste issue at us. That is so unfair and so untrue. They have a single motive, to convert people.

    Every one has their share of crime. So, no point in nitpicking. Every caste has good and bad people. If you dont accept that, you are the one buried in casteism.

    Anyone who has read Bhagavad Gita, which says that you are not the body, will realize in first second that caste as it stands today is bogus.

    So, use your time to come out of that crap rather than getting deep into it. Treat human beings for what they are. Dont try to act as though one religion is better or one caste is better.
    Stop this bullshit :) (Erumai maadu)

    • What innuendo am I guilty of, Sridhar? I have a ‘major argument’ for the abolishing of caste. I have opened it up by discussing candidly the forms of caste discrimination that exist within office and urban settings. What else would you like me to do? I’m talking about India here. I am not interested in the travails of the ‘poor’ vegetarians in the United States. ‘Every caste has that feeling’, you say. How do you propose to wipe it out? People like you are only too happy to claim that nothing can be done. Varna is not about capacity – that is a charming Arya Samaj idea that does not make any sense to me – how can you create a hierarchy of birth and occupation and call it Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra and then say it is about capacity? How many Hindu priests do you know who were not born Brahmin.
      And, yes, that classic right-wing distaste for minorities and discussion of caste. Since they disprove the myth of Hindu unity and Hindu homeland, they should all be termed ‘converts’. The family I was born into has been Christian for four generations now. I am still a ‘convert’ in your opinion. And here is Ambedkar’s opinion on conversion: “The Hindus criticise the Mohammedans for having spread their religion by the use of the sword. They also ridicule Christianity on the score of the inquisition. But really speaking who is better and more worthy of our respect—the Mohammedans and Christians who attempted to thrust down the throats of unwilling persons what they regarded as necessary for their salvation or the Hindu who would not spread the light, who would endeavour to keep others in darkness, who would not consent to share his intellectual and social inheritance with those who are ready and willing to make it a part of their own make-up ? I have no hesitation in saying that if the Mohammedan has been cruel the Hindu has been mean and meanness is worse than cruelty.”
      SECTION IX Annihilation of Caste. Vol-I, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Writing and Speeches
      I refuse to accept caste – let alone the good and bad people in ‘every caste’. So, does that make me casteist? How interesting. Here is something more about the Scriptures, “Caste may be bad. Caste may lead to conduct so gross as to be called man’s inhumanity to man. All the same, it must be recognized that the Hindus observe Caste not because they are inhuman or wrong-headed. They observe Caste because they are deeply religious. People are not wrong in observing Caste. In my view, what is wrong is their religion, which has inculcated this notion of Caste. If this is correct, then obviously the enemy you must grapple with is not the people who observe Caste, but the Shastras which teach them this religion of Caste. Criticising and ridiculing people for not inter-dining or inter-marrying, or occasionally holding inter-caste dinners and celebrating inter-caste marriages, is a futile method of achieving the desired end. The real remedy is to destroy the belief in the sanctity of the Shastras. ” – Ambedkar. Please take apart this argument. I would love to see you do it.

      • you time and again say that you refuse to accept caste.. but your writings are dripping with anti-Brahmin hatred. isnt it ironical

      • You have flatly refused to take a stand about caste in your comments. You claim that I have taken one against Brahmins. I insist that I have only taken a position against caste.

  16. I studied in a school that is closely affiliated to the RSS in north chennai, and never felt hatred for minorities until I finished graduation. In fact my hate for RSS is more pronounced than the hate I reserve for muslims/christians in India.

    Your point about caste annihilation is confusing. How do you propose to achieve this? RSS tried and failed. Arya samaj too. Even communists failed. What’s your road map?

    I have observed that the most vociferous caste groups are the ones that corner benefits and are politically powerful (like reddys, Kammas in andhra). The stupid ones that followed the bad advice of dissociating themselves from their caste are now backward and begging to be included in the OBC list. Is there a study on degeneration of certain caste groups which have no political representation after the british left? Another vexed question is who benefits in the event of annihilation of caste?

    Also your attack on brahminism, perhaps justified to a certain extent based on your individual experiences, is greatly overstating the evil brahminical hold in our social space. For one, we don’t follow the varna system anymore and still our polity is held hostage by caste groups that are able to command clan loyalty. Muslims/Christians are also part of this charade of democracy, and with their ability to increase their followers are worse than their hindu counterparts.

    How about political space for all jatis/religions irrespective of their numerical strength? I wonder if dalits would care a damn about a brahmin refusing to share space wit him if he has equal political representation. I guess it’s possible only in hindu state, which makes you shudder, ofcourse.

    • Hello Kookoo. How refreshing to have a nice TamBrahm who actually states his hatred for minorities up-front.
      RSS and Arya Samaj had clear right wing leanings – I do not understand how or when they attempted to annihilate caste. If you are talking about the Arya Samaj’s pitiable efforts to rework the Varna schema into a categorisation on ‘worth’, rather than ‘birth’, I’m sorry, that doesn’t cut any ice with me. Do read Ambedkar’s Annihilation of Caste to understand why. You will find it at http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/ambedkar/web/
      The communist leadership is overwhelmingly Brahmin – and I do not see any concerted effort from the organised left to annihilate caste either.
      Who are the stupid castes begging to be included in the OBC list now? A link or additional information would be welcome.
      Who benefits in the event of the annilihiation of caste? The ones who have been suffering because of caste, that’s who. If we are not following the Varna system anymore, how come there are no Brahmins doing manual scavenging (which includes cleaning out dry latrines with nothing but their hands and a basket to carry the shit away)? How come there is not a single Dalit heading a news bureau in the media? Yes, caste is practised among Muslims and Christians too. They are as bad as the Hindus in several respects, I agree.
      Political space for all is the dream that reservations have been striving to bring into being. No, I don’t think dalits would give a damn for what brahmins do, if they had equal political representation. How about if we annihilate caste and we can’t tell the difference between a dalit and a brahmin? How about that? Does your Hindu imagination shudder at the thought?

  17. I’m not TamBrahm. The stupid caste I mentioned is my own jati – Balijas, mostly in Andhra pradesh.

    Having right wing leanings has nothing to do with caste system. There’s a huge spectrum of ideas among the right too. In fact underlining caste affiliation is a serious detriment to right wing mobilization skills. RSS tries to sweep jati question under the carpet. Or else, why do you think a significant number of dalit youths are attracted to the RSS initially if they practice caste segregation?

    I agree with what you say about Arya Samaj. Their effort was half baked.

    I perhaps didn’t make my point well, given my limited writing skills. I have no problem with the practice of caste. None at all. I, in fact, blame some of our predecessors for not practising their caste and left our jati in the lurch begging for OBC status from the govt.

    You speak as if hindus are a monolithic entity (just like RSS attempts to do), when you speak of annihilation of caste. Since that can be done only jati by jati at a time, what’s to say one of the other vociferous jatis don’t fill the political void. we don’t live in a perfect world, and hindus don’t take instructions from any one institution. It happened in Andhra to Balijas who as a group were well off four generations earlier.

    The only ones who benefit attempt at annihilation of caste, therefore, is big caste groups, and muslims/christians in view of their ever increasing numbers.

    I have no problems with dalits, however annihilation of caste isn’t going to help them. It’ll make them lose focus which is equal political representation for them as a brahmin. As for their presence in media, I’d love to have a major dalit publication, but I doubt even well off dalits would read a newspaper that doesn’t have juicy gossips and harps on identity issues. As I said, the problem is not more identity mongering, but less of it. Dalits should be made more aware of their identity. Annihilation of caste will kill that identity. No use to them.

    I also don’t have a problem with muslims/christians following their caste. I only said that parliamentary democracy favours one with numbers, and muslims/christians are worse manipulators of this system than hindus because they have capacity to expand and hence increase their political influence which is impossible to do for any jati group in the hindu fold.

    • Thank you for declaring your caste, Kookoo. Makes it so much easier to have a conversation, especially on this blog, don’t you think? Yes, rightwing leanings are not the exclusive domain of the twice-born. No, the Hindus are not a monolithic entity. Dalits were not termed ‘Hindu’ until the rise of Hindu nationalism (which takes birth along with the Indian freedom struggle, but that is another story). The anti-caste movement is the biggest threat to the myth of Hindu unity.
      Your condescension is quite breathtaking. You ‘don’t mind’ dalits? And I am sure you are entirely unaware of the vibrant Dalit literature in Andhra Pradesh and of the many alternate journals that Dalits publish. If annihilation of caste was not going to help Dalits, why is Ambedkar a Dalit icon?
      You say that minorities can expand their population while the Hindu castes cannot. There are logical problems with that statement. However (since you are right-wing), I assume you are talking about the fact that Muslims and Christians evangelise and the Hindus don’t. Have you ever wondered why? That’s because its impossible to determine the caste of a convert to Hinduism. Hinduism cannot expand its population because of caste. As I said, read Annihilation of Caste by Ambedkar.

      • are you saying that you find it difficult to have conversations with brahmins.. increasingly i have sseen that this jaadiveri is more pronounced among the non-brahmins , and other lower castes that brahmins.. very ironic.

      • I have never found it difficult to have conversations with Brahmins – a large section of the comments for this post should prove that. I have found that Brahmins code-switch between Brahmin and other dialects of Tamil. And I have found that they have exclusive conversations that only members of the caste can understand. That is all I have said in the post. ‘Jaadiveri’ is widespread throughout south Asia, no caste has monopoly over caste-arrogance.

  18. That dalits are ‘hindu’ or not is a question best left to them. I am not a dalit and won’t speak on behalf of them.

    Neither did I mention anywhere with any condescension about not minding dalits. And no, I haven’t read any dalit publications.

    As I said, my own jati is in social and economic doldrums now, and it’s not going to help them if people like me in the jati with the means to help them dissociate themselves with the jati affiliation.

    Ambedkar is a thoughtful man, and I’d read that particular essay/book when I have time. However, you still haven’t spelt out how it’s advantageous to a dalit if caste is destroyed. I’d imagine, there’ll still be a ‘rich class’ to contend with and that’d be comprised of mostly of upper castes. Or do you imagine that by the time destruction of caste comes about, all castes will have equal representatives in both rich and poor class? if so, what’s the incentive for a dalit at that point to give up his caste. I feel political representation is more important to a dalit or backward castes than annihilation of caste.

    Yes, I meant evangelisation only. Creation of new castes is nothing spectacular to hindus. In fact, the history of caste arrangements will show some dynamism among the jatis moving between varnas and creation of new castes. So caste is not a deterrent at all for evangelising hindus. It’s just that they lack the political vision of muslims/christians.

    • Political representation is the most pressing concern, I agree. There are rich and poor among the dalits and OBCs currently (if not in equal representation, they are there and are the reason for all those pointless ‘creamy layer’ arguments). This does not seem to have reduced the desire to annihilate caste among us.
      Yes, castes are not static and the history of specific castes and the anti-caste struggle will stand testimony to that.
      Your imagination only allows you to create new castes to house converts than to think of a society without caste. I would think a Hinduism free of caste would be the right-winger’s dream. Apparently, it’s not.

      • reservation makes sense only if it stipulates that a person can avail of it once in his life and once availed his future generation cannot avail. Only then will all dalits/obc get the benefit of the same. Otherwise if Malarvizhi enjoys affirmative action, becaomes rich and her kids also enjoy the samem they are ineffect permanently suppressing their own brethren from progressing

      • Ah. That explains why Brahmins reserved priesthood, temple land and sundry other benefits (including doubtful ones like the right to learn Sanskrit) for themselves for untold generations. If you insist that I should forget the past, let me reiterate present realities then. Forward castes continue to enjoy disproportionate amounts of access to health, wealth and education – you will find examples from studies in the archives of this blog. I don’t intend to have children – so you do not have to worry about my kids achieving prosperity and ‘suppressing their brethren from progressing’. The dominant castes have successfully been doing this suppression and continue to do this. I only point to the ways in which they have been suppressing their brethren in this post.

  19. What’s your problem, lady? Is it food, caste, discrimination, meanness or snobbishness of Brahmins (FC) ?

    1. Commentary on food is universal. Come to Hyd.. A vegetarian’s life is as difficult here as you said. Yes.. I get comments on eating grass, almost daily. Thats called a joke.

    2. Caste. Unfortunately.. you’re born into one. Its like being rich. If you know the pain., when your next door kid can afford a bicycle and your dad can’t. You inherit rituals however meaningless they may be. Lighting a candle in church is as meaningless & useless & indicative as lighting a lamp in a temple.

    As long as you don’t force the other groups to imbibe yours, whatever you do in your own space, is your own problem. That’s Humanism. When you force others, just becoz you believe is right, its brutish. Even if Ambedkar allows for it, I desist that.

    3. Discrimination – That’s everybody’s right. Your religion and mine taught us wrong, that we shouldn’t. Everybody discriminates. You do. I do.. everybody does. You love somebody.. that’s discriminating everyone else. Did you ever get employed in marwari/jain/parsi company ? You should try that. You should also try getting employed under a Reddy/Naidu/Mala/Madiga/Nadar/Christian/Muslim/NorthIndian/Bengali/Tamil/Telugu/Women/Men/….. bosses and see if anyone doesn’t discriminate. Private enterprise is private. Its their bloody right to pick whom they want.. for whatever pitiful reason they have. You can have your own discrimination. I pick my friends for what I like in them. You do the same. It may be books, music, college, classroom, movies, jackshit.. whatever.. We pick friends who talk like we do.. have similar problems to what we have.. have similar challenges to what we have.. that’s discrimination and its legal, necessary and the right way of life.

    4. Meanness/snobbishness – Hey ! You mean … a particular characteristic (meanness.. jealousy) is specific to one sect of people in this world. Surely you don’t believe it. People are mean, in whatever way they can. You talk to a bus-conductor in crowded Chennai bus. 7/10 times you’ll face meanness. Yes.. I am generalizing.. But, you get it, right?. Meanness/snobbishness are universal? You were mean in the above commentary. Surely you must’ve met some good natured FC’s in your life (at least 1 among the 1000′s) ? But that’s fine.. your meanness will not be taken on your community. Each one on his own.

    Caste-based discrimination is best avoided in government service, government aid/policies & politics only. This is because it leads to power being centralized with one community. In your private life, you’re entitled to have your own opinions and prejudices for and against any community/caste/religion/language/gender/species etc. That’s called Free-will.

    (And, please don’t bring in a 1000 year old history. History has many villains, all of whose acts we cannot judge & fix in this generation.).

    • My problem is caste and its manifestations. Unfortunately, caste is not personal. It is also structural – there is an inequal distribution of access to wealth, power, knowledge and respect across this hierarchy. This is not only about historical wrongs (though it is partly about that too), it is about continuing and contemporary injustice that we can and should act against in this generation.

      • will you fight for land ownership to brahmins ? traditionally ‘land-ownning castes’ have never been brahmins.. if you say that knowledge cant be sole preserve of brahmins and need to be changed, so too , land cannot be sole preserve of non-brahmins and 69% reservation of all land in tn should go to brahmins?

      • Traditionally or otherwise, Brahmins have had access to and ownership of land more steadily and continuously than most other castes in Tamil Nadu. If, as you say, non-Brahmins own disproportionate amounts of land, Chennai’s prime residential areas would not be so Brahmin-dominated.

  20. Interesting. In Bhagavat Gita, Lord Krishna says ” I have created 4 castes based on Guna and Karma”. Brahmins are supposed to be satvic which means they should be happy with what they have and lead a spartan life. But in today’s world you will find that 99.9% of so called Brahmins are not brahmins as written in Hindu scriptures.

    People have twisted the religion and made casted based on birth. Even after conversion, I can see Nadar christians not allowing Vanniyar christians inside their church. Vanniyar christians not allowing Dalit christians inside the church.

    Pope post is always reserved for European christians for centuries eventhough there are more South American christians than European christians.

    • Yes, caste is all-pervasive in south Asian society and is not a uniquely Hindu phenomenon. The Catholic Church probably deserves a blog for itself, so, yes, let us continue to point out that Christianity was and is practised across the global south in far more creative ways than it is in Europe.

  21. “Also, the arts that were stolen from the Devadasis and re-furbished for respectability and are celebrated every December?” Absolutely right… I hail from Isai Vellala Community (OBC) that is said to have descended from Devadasi tradition. I had always wanted to give vent to my frustration on this and am so glad to see someone say exactly what I wanted to say..

    It pains me to see all the hoopla during the December season when the TamBrams parade their daughters and sisters to Sabhas for kutcheris and dance concerts. Devadasis were shunned away from society because they did the unacceptable deed of performing arts in public. But it’s Ok if the TamBrams do it now ? If this is not double standards..then explain to me please.. what else it is ?

    There have been lot many scenarios where I have heard a lot of TamBrams speak ill of the Devadasi tradition with their half-baked knowledge of history and arts. I couldnt retaliate bcos my parents were not comfortable with the idea of me flaunting our connection to the Devadasi tradition. I was all the more angry bcos the so-called patrons of arts who had made the lives of Devadasis miserable were the TamBrahm menfolk..

    @Keshav – I have known Brindamma and Mukthamma personally and share close family relationship with them. They are known for their Padam and Jaavalis which predominantly depicts “Shringara” rasa. The Musical Trinity who were Brahmins specialised in singing kirtanais filled with Bhakthi Rasa. I have seen umpteen number of mamis who learnt music from Mukthamma and Brindamma. But not one would have been interested in having familial ties with them.

    Now coming to my pet peeve. M.S amma is still remembered for her gifted voice and ability to move the listener to tears.. not because she was from Devadasi family but because she was married to Mr.Sadasivam..According to TJS George (author of MS’ biography) she was forced to give up the friendship of T.Muktha and T.Brinda after her marriage. Most of the TamBrahms are under the illusion that MS is a brahmin by birth. An illusion that was deliberately created.

    Malar – Just happened to stumble upon this blog. Glad I did .. Loved your piece on The Hindu.. Do keep writing more..

    • Thank you for joining the conversation, Shruthika. Do consider expanding on what you have written here. Would love to carry your response as a separate post.

  22. 100% reservation both in public and private sector to tamil castes alone. drive out the aryans once for all to the north of vindhyas.

  23. Thanks for the article, I hope you write a memoir of your life at the Hindu.

    The one comment I have is that the trouble with focusing on certain cultural markers of Brahmin life — dialect, Sanskrit, vegetarianism, Carnatic music etc — is that markers change while Brahminism continues. In Vedic times, Brahmins ate beef, today Bengali Brahmins and ghati Brahmins eat fish, a Tamil Brahmin who doesn’t speak Sanskrit and barely speaks Tamil uses fluent English as a status-marker, atheist Brahmin Communists and Subaltern School Brahmins are just as oblivious of the ways in which they discriminate etc.

    And on the other hand, Dalits become vegetarian when they become Buddhist, Carnatic music in Margazhi also includes performances by non-Brahmins (KJY, Yogeeswaran etc), the works of non-Brahmin composers (the Christian Vedhanayakam Pillai, Dhandapani Desikar), a sabha organized by non-Brahmins (Tamil Isai Sangam), etc.

    • Thank you for joining the conversation. Yes, cultural markers (much like caste itself) are not cast in stone and mutate according to shifts in power. The appropriation of arts from the Devadasi community is just one example of such mutation.

      • one cannot appropriate an art. tam brahms adopted Bharatnatyam according to bhakti movement songs’ diktat. there was nothing that stopped devadasis from continuiing to ply their trade. you are just launching a diatribe against brahmins.

      • I am learning lessons in circular logic from your comments. I continue to maintain that the process can best be described as appropriation, not adoption. No, there was nothing to stop Devadasis from ‘continuing to ply their trade’. Except that there was a massive campaign launched against the system of caste privilege that allowed the Devadasi system to exist. In the process, the arts were appropriated by Brahmins, the actual legislative battles against the system were fought (and won in the teeth of fierce opposition from Brahmins) by Shudra leaders and the Devadasis were left out in the cold – their past continues to be grotesquely misrepresented by Brahmins and the very name of the community continues to be employed as a swear world in contemporary Tamil.

  24. The appropriation of arts from the Devadasi community is just one example of such mutation.

    “Appropriation”? That implies the use of force. Is there evidence about the use of force? Why don’t you share this with us?

    Following this logic, why don’t you accuse the Tamil Brahmins of still more “crimes” — like “appropriating” English from the British and so on?

    What happened with the (South Indian) arts in the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century is a complex story and I don’t think it can be reduced to a simple narrative of “the evil Tamil Brahmins forcibly took the arts from the Devadasi community.”

    I think the Tamil Brahmins have enough to answer for anyway without bringing imaginary crimes into the equation.

    • Thank you for joining the conversation. I do not use ‘appropriation’ to imply that there was a violent wresting away of art forms. I would describe the ways in which people of colour began to form households after the Civil War in the American south as ‘appropriating’ forms of domesticity that were earlier the privilege of slave owners. And, yes, English was appropriated by various communities to describe themselves and to present an anti-colonial or anti-caste vision of the future. So I use ‘appropriation’ to mean that elements of another culture/form are recontextualised in ways that can either empower or disempower the marginalised communities in question. The history of south Indian arts, as you have correctly pointed out, is much more complex than ‘the evil TamBrahms took it away from the Devadasis’. The history of how these art forms begin to be performed by and made respectable for performance by upper castes is entwined with the history of nationalism and the quest to form a national identity as well. In this process, I would argue, the marginalised communities which produced these art forms were left out of the story of the nation. And that is the violence I protest in that statement which you have quoted.

      • art of the so called non brahmins are thriving in the movie industry of tn. no need to think that they are left behind, If you look at it in terms of ‘market cap’ I think the ‘marginalized communities’ ‘ art forms are much bigger than the ‘niche’ art form of the brahmins.
        Someone here has a problem with tambrahms having a sub culture and attending sabhas in december. I feel irritated when i see substandard movies released ever friday and spl ones called pongal release diwali release NY release etc.

      • The movie industry is ‘a non-brahmin art form’? Really? I won’t even bother rebutting that statement.

  25. Dear Malarvizhi, I am so heartened and inspired by your writing. I never knew that there is someone like you who can write so brilliantly and incisively in English against the evil of caste bigotry and Brahmin supremacy. You do not know how much relieved I am to know that there is a person like you who can intelligently articulate against the various bigoted facets of the caste system and ingeniously lampoon the evil of those at the summit of this evil system. I was personally victimised by Brahmin bigotry in a gruesome manner when I was studying in USA which turned me into an activist, writer and researcher against caste bigotry and Brahmin supremacy a decade and a half ago. I used to write a blog for many years which I closed down for personal reasons, but I recently started a new blog at http://hinducasteracism.blogspot.in/. I am a qualified medical doctor and a holder of a master’s degree in human rights law from London. If not for your pure Tamil name (which you should be proud of), your Christian religion and your descent from a “Shudra” caste which was barbarically oppressed in the past (Nadars) and your uncompromising integrity in standing up against Brahmin supremacy and caste bigotry, you would have been “accepted” and “celebrated” as an activist writer by the mainstream media controlled by Brahmins and “twice born” bigots. But it is a relief that you are not one of those “cosmetic” and “superficial” writers against caste who consider it “fashionable” to pay lip service to “Dalit rights” while never challenging Brahmin bigotry, the very existence of caste and the Brahmin “twice born” ruling class’ ruination of our dear nation. It is a shame that I never heard of you before. You should write more, and you should write seminal books exposing the ancient and ever surviving evil of “twice born” supremacist bigotry and the evil of caste to the wide global audience. I call myself “Iniyan” even though my legal name given by my parents is “Sridhar” which I hate since it is Aryan Sanskritic and Brahmanic. My Dad is of Dalit descent and my mother is from a backward caste background. I love your writing. Have you written any books on the evil of caste and Brahmins yet? You should put your ingenious hold over the English language to great use for fundamentally challenging the very existence of the caste system and Brahmin supremacy, without the eradication of which India can never be a social welfare state with justice and equality in lines of western European nation states. I dearly wish your writing poses an existential threat to the very existence of caste and Brahmin supremacy.

    With best wishes and solidarity – in working towards a casteless society and nation, a fellow Dravidian Tamil, Iniyan.
    (iniyan@gmail.com)

    • Thank you for all the warm praise. Yes, I do hope to write more. No, I haven’t written a book till date. I applaud your decision to change your name – I continue to be amazed at how many people hold on to names that openly declare their affiliation to a dominant caste (and claiming they can do nothing about it because their parents gave it to them). I welcome you to write about your experiences of casteism for this blog.

  26. I earlier submitted a comment which was not published. But its okay. I just wanted to reiterate that I find the writing of Malarvizhi very inspiring and this blog is brilliant. I am a Periyarist and Ambedkarite writer advocating the annihilation of the caste system and the Hindu religion, and I have written in the “Dalit Murasu” magazine in the past. I think I have seen Ms. Malarvizhi in a meeting addressed by the anthropologist Professor. Satyapal last year which was organised by the “Dalit Murasu” magazine even though I have not spoken to her. I recognised her face when I saw her twitter photograph. Good luck and best wishes to her. With regards, Iniyan.

    • Thank you again for the praise. I welcome you again to write for this blog. Yes, I was at the meeting addressed by Prof. Satyapal and his interview and personal narrative of caste are in the archives of this blog. You can read the first part at http://writingcaste.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/caste-and-gender-in-conversation-with-p-d-sathyapal/

      • Thanks Malarvizhi for your replies. I am sorry for prematurely complaining that my comment was not published and for not being patient enough until you replied. Thanks for inviting me to write for your blog and I will certainly do so.The essential nature of caste that is overlooked by most protagonists of caste is that caste’s very nature is bigoted thereby negating fraternity and equality which are pre-requisites for a liberal democratic society. This is because belief in any caste means belief in the superiority and inferiority of the biological descent (birth) and worth of peoples above and below that caste, apart from various forms of discrimination manifested due to that bigotry. Brahmins are uniquely bigoted and supremacist racists because they believe in the ultimate superiority of their biological being over the rest of humanity due to their religious belief that they were born from the “head” of “God” and that they are “Gods on Earth” thereby pitting themselves at the summit of the caste system as the “most superior” men. What is less talked about is the ruination and wrecking of India as a nation and the impoverishment, division and oppression of the “touchable” and “untouchable” Shudra (backward caste and Dalit) Indian masses by the Brahmin ruling class who along with their other “twice born” caste counterparts still control the central government bureaucracy, top judiciary, planning commission, mainstream media, top army officers corps, corporate business houses and top leadership of national political parties to pursue and enact policies which oppress, kill, sicken and impoverish the masses of India who are considered inferior and sub-human by the bigoted and supremacist Brahmin elite. We have failed as a people to expose the very bigoted and supremacist nature of Brahmins to the global people. We have also failed to challenge apologists for Brahmin supremacists who lurk around under the cloak of “anti-caste” activists and intellectuals. Your request to write for your blog is very encouraging and thanks for it. With warm regards and best wishes, Iniyan.

  27. No, there was nothing to stop Devadasis from ‘continuing to ply their trade’. Except that there was a massive campaign launched against the system of caste privilege that allowed the Devadasi system to exist. In the process, the arts were appropriated by Brahmins, the actual legislative battles against the system were fought (and won in the teeth of fierce opposition from Brahmins) by Shudra leaders and the Devadasis were left out in the cold

    I don’t think this is accurate. The Devadasi Bill was opposed by Nagarathnammal and the devadasi union she led, and it was supported by Brahmin(ized) reformers like Muthulakshmi Reddy. And in the event, the stigmatization in reformist rhetoric meant that Isai Vellalar dancers could not easily move into the new spaces of the sabha.

    Today, the most respected teachers of dance are still Isai Vellalar nattuvanar, rather than Brahminical institutions like Kalakshetra, so it’s not all “appropriated”. Yes, the demographic profile of dancers changed, but that included non-Brahmins like Valli and the Travancore Sisters and Narthaki Nataraj as well as Brahmins. Yes, the South Madras sabhas are Brahmin affairs where total strangers have asked me my dietary prefernces, but go to North Madras and there are plenty of non-Brahmin Carnatic musicians, including periya melam which never Brahminized. We should talk about Brahmins dominating certain powerful institutional spaces without re-erasing the presence of non-Brahmins in these arts today.

    Thanks for providing the space for this discussion.

  28. Cinema as non-Brahmin space…. obviously this is not true in the sense that Brahmins can’t make movies or are under-represented on screen. On the other hand, there is a long history of Backward Caste mobilization around cinema, there is a newer interest in making non-Brahmin cultures of various kinds of visible/audible on screen. You mentioned Brahmin dialect code-switching in your original essay, but cinema is the space where non-Brahmin dialects of many kinds are treated as legitimate in the public sphere. Cinema is how Tamil kids in Toronto hear gaana as a signifier of Tamilness, and not just Brahminical religion or Carnatic music. I think it is an interesting line of inquiry that deserves more than a quick dismissal.

  29. Few quick questions for you

    1)why are hindi speaking people barbaric and christian crusaders peace loving ?

    2) if some hindu doesnt want to eat beef, why does it cause you pain ? Economically thinking, lesser demand for it keeps the price low for beef eaters. So rejoice.

    Im a hindi speaking north indian and really looking for some real answers rather than being bashed for being one.

    • And *drumroll please* Indian beef exports are set to increase this year: http://www.thecattlesite.com/reports/?category=12&id=347 Ok it’s apparently buffalo meat they are exporting since ‘cattle slaughter is banned’, according to this article. I do wish these journalistic types would check their facts before making rash statements. But in any case. If beef prices are low, why are ministers trying to ‘fix’ beef prices? http://www.indianexpress.com/news/for-fixing-beef-price-up-minister-ali-gets-hc-notice/939644/ Traders claim that beef prices are at Rs. 110 to 120 a kg while chicken in an unprecedented price-spike in 2010 cost Rs. 74 a kg: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Chicken-rates-spike-in-Delhi/624035/ Has it gone back to Rs. 60 a kg yet? Do find out and let me know.
      So, NO, beef is NOT cheaper. There is great and growing demand for it, in markets domestic and foreign.
      In other news, Nirad Chaudhuri is quoted as having said, “These wretched BJP types, they call themselves cultural nationalists, speak of an ancient Hindu ethos, yet do not know Sanskrit, know nothing of their own history. Such barbarous people!” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jul/13/historybooks.highereducation) The Christian Crusaders were medieval barbarians who thought they were serving Christ by making Jerusalem flow knee-deep in blood. I wouldn’t really compare the two. No, wait, the BJP and the crusaders have a lot in common. Bloodshed, religious zealotry, hmmm…
      Also, several Hindi-speakers I have had the misfortune of having long interaction with were fully convinced of their superiority over ‘Madrasis’. Apparently they felt that having lighter skin, a different accent, dislike of rasam and refusing to use coconut oil made them superior beings. Barbarian is the only word that a good Madrasi can use against them.
      I am entirely un-pained by people who don’t want to eat beef. Upper-caste and right-wing Hindus who use their caste habits to stigmatise the food habits of those of lower castes and other religions are, on the other hand, quite painful to endure. For your reference: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17727379
      I’m always up for reasoned debates that are full of facts and sources. Always.

  30. Hey Malarvizhi,

    Thank you so much for writing this. I definitely need to read it, and it serves another reminder that I need to actively engage caste issues. Just to quickly share ‘my caste story’ (because I don’t really ever get the opportunity to do so). I was born and raised in New York City to a mixed-caste couple from coastal Andhra. My father is 6,000 Niyogi (Brahmin caste) and my mother is Koppula Velama (BC / subset of Velama). When they eloped in Hyderabad in 1983, the only people at their wedding were their school friends. I recall someone (and I wanna say that it’s Ambedkar, but I could be definitely wrong) noting that one of the ways to ‘solve’ this caste problem is by inter-marriage. Looking back at their wedding from whatever perfunctory education I have about caste politics, I guess it was pretty radical (I guess). My parents left India in 1984/85 first to Paris and then in New York in 1988. I was born in 1990 and my dad’s mother came to stay with us. Needless to say, she wasn’t very happy with my parents’ marriage. Ever since I can remember, I’ve always been conscious of the fact that we’re Brahmin. Even before I had a holistic understanding of how caste works, I’ve always been conscious that we were from a ‘priestly caste’ (incidentally, 6,000 Niyogis are not – hah), vegetarian (my mother never liked meat to begin with but the reasons can be debated), and some other stuff that had to do with Hinduism. On the other hand, we never, ever talked about my mother’s caste. It was generally understood that she was from a lower caste, but I had no clue what it was until I was 17 or so. And even still, I didn’t have the clearest idea of it (Koppula Velama) until this summer. (Though I’m not sure what think when all the google hits for it come up as either poorly written history sites or matrimony sites). At the household level, in our attempts to be ‘caste-blind’, we were definitely buying into Brahmin supremacy. Indeed, my food habits, my religious habits, my language, and my sense of art and culture are all Brahminized. But I think the other interesting factor in this is the desi community abroad: it is so Brahminized. Would you happen to have any information as to how Brahminization / Brahmin domination is spread through the diaspora? I’m thinking of potentially researching that (how privileges and oppressions travel through [im]migration).

    Anyway, the story can go on. As a queer person of color in the United States, I always try to be conscious of my privileges, backgrounds, and identity. I’m learning how to do this in India when I interact with my Brahmin family. And when I interact with my Velama family (which is pretty Brahminized itself in some ways). To be honest, I was/am a little put off by the whole cow/face description you had up there, but here, we call that ‘healthy cultural paranoia’. It’s your way of resisting, coping with the oppression that’s all around you (you know this, obviously). I’m still trying to unlearn (the unhealthy parts of) my Brahminized upbringing.

    Thanks so much for creating this space. I don’t know Tamil, so clearly I’m missing out on a lot of the Dalit/caste analysis going on, but I’m trying to brush up my Telugu so I can read some dalitavaadam (dalit writing) and ideally, sthridalitavaadam (feminist dalit writing).

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